taliesin
Ronin Warlock
Grand Master
Posts: 156
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Post by taliesin on Nov 17, 2008 8:17:34 GMT -5
Let's get the ball rolling with a basic poll. Do people feel there is a need for some title like "Master"? Is it a useful reminder of the history of the game, or a hangover from a past best forgotten? And, if such a title is considered worth having, on what grounds ought it to be awarded?
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Post by BioLogIn on Nov 17, 2008 8:34:33 GMT -5
I voted for 2nd option and I'd like to explain my choice here.
I feel like we need Master\GrandMaster (and possibly other) titles, because they bring competition to the community. However, I think that (Grand)Master title has little to do with ELO. Talking about recent 2k breaks, I will not say anything for xade and succat, but I'm not a Master. Period. Same goes for tourney winning. Master is about consistensy, not about being able to pull a winning streak in a right time (and to burst into losing streak a moment later).
But I feel this title should be awarded by a counsel of strong players\Masters - it will both encourage roleplay and shake up community a bit. Maybe we should make such elections annual or something...
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Post by wastelin on Nov 17, 2008 8:54:15 GMT -5
BioLogIn seconded.
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Post by Dubber on Nov 17, 2008 9:23:59 GMT -5
Quite honestly, a title is worth exactly as much as the paper upon which it is written -- imho.
However, altering the "Master" appellation to "GrandMaster" for "historical-Master" purposes and applying the "Master" appellation to the nex-gen set of active, excellent Warlocks would have a better "ring" to the title -- also, imho.
No one can argue (well, alright, people will likely argue just to be that way) that Pig, Pegster, Taliesin, ExDeath, Slartucker (and a few others I have probably forgotten) are GrandMasters in the historical sense.
(and arguably Prioli & Yaron might fit the definition, too)
So, GrandMaster vs OldMaster just a couple letters of difference. Either way, do we *need* a label? *I* don't think so; but people are people & when you take away something that exists the taking-away is less appreciated than not giving people something in the first place.
grammatical edit (added last "than")
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 17, 2008 16:38:32 GMT -5
I agree that some distinction should be made (which was the whole point of the title change in the first place). There are both qualitative and quantitative distinctions between the old masters and all of the warlocks who would currently be considered for a masteresque title. However, that does not mean they are less deserving of recognition; they simply deserve to be recognized for something different. If individual achievements seem to be lower, part of the reason is that the environment is more challenging than it has ever been; and tactical innovation, while possible, requires more digging to find new territory than it used to.
Within several days there will be an announcement here about some huge (and very exciting) additions to the league, which will also provide several opportunities for new titles and new sorts of titles.
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Post by Dubber on Nov 17, 2008 21:36:19 GMT -5
Within several days there will be an announcement here about some huge (and very exciting) additions to the league, which will also provide several opportunities for new titles and new sorts of titles. You keep saying that... for *months* at this point  |
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Post by xade on Nov 17, 2008 21:45:51 GMT -5
I think to claim Master status, you need to hit ExDeath on the ELO and the beat him.  |
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 17, 2008 21:52:25 GMT -5
Yeah, but Bio has been on my case about it, which has been helpful  If it's not out by Friday, you all have my permission to wait outside my apartment in a hoodie... |
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Post by xade on Nov 17, 2008 21:58:53 GMT -5
sweet! and I assume you'll be supplying the air fair?  |
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 17, 2008 22:00:24 GMT -5
Fair air does not coexist well with psychopoop.
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Post by xade on Nov 17, 2008 22:13:24 GMT -5
Fair air does not coexist well with psychopoop. Psych! |
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Derfel
Ronin Warlock
Did I Do That?
Troublemaker
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Post by Derfel on Nov 17, 2008 22:22:04 GMT -5
No - titles create division. We should be a classless society.
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Post by xade on Nov 17, 2008 22:39:49 GMT -5
titles create division.
Division leads to something
and something leads to the awesome side of the force.
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Post by succat on Nov 18, 2008 0:09:23 GMT -5
Old Master, New Master, Grand Master... what difference does it make? 'Course if we're gonna agree on an official Title, maybe there ought to be some rules laid out that define how one can achieve it. The fact is, right now there is one guy at the top of the ladder with the highest Elo in active Warlocks. Sad to say, he's like the boss in the last level of that really hard video game you played as a kid -- You always kept dying right before you got to him.  I think it sucks that the One on the Throne is also the one who doesn't want to fight to defend his honor. 1 or 2 rated games a year is hardly gonna gain the respect of your fellow countrymen. But let's face it -- he's the boss of the last level. He's not gonna come to you; you must go to him. Does that make him a Master or not, I don't know. But I think it's safe to say that we all want to get over that hump eventually, and that hump is him. You get over him, you beat the game. Well... not exactly, but there's gotta be some sort of Title out there for doing that. I'm no fan of ExMaster, but I think he wears the crown still.  |
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Post by Wider, adepte of evil forces on Nov 18, 2008 6:39:39 GMT -5
We should be a classless society. Why the heck? We are evil warlocks not whiny marxists. If you want a classless society you would have to abandon the scoring system altogether. Boooring. |
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