Derfel
Ronin Warlock
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Post by Derfel on Jan 2, 2009 18:02:43 GMT -5
I am very sorry that this has made you stay away from the league. I am, however, a bit baffled as to how a three-word question that anybody could have asked was taking liberties with your character. (In fact, I originally wrote that piece 8 or 9 months earlier, and originally that question was asked by a different warlock, who stopped being active in the league.) My "character" wouldn't have asked the question. It immediately puts the character in an inferior position. But a simple asking for permission would have been better.
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Post by freesoul on Jan 2, 2009 19:00:09 GMT -5
I think that only works if it's something that is generally known... but asking about an unknown item? Doesn't make you inferior... it simply means you wish to know more.
I'd be honored to take Derfel's place in Slarty's post, as I seek greater knowledge.
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Post by ExDeath on Jan 2, 2009 19:08:11 GMT -5
He took more liberties with pretty much everyone else mentioned in that post, and it doesn't really seem like a big deal to me.
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Post by maknud on Jan 2, 2009 19:12:31 GMT -5
My "character" wouldn't have asked the question. My character would have cast Invis, grabbed the Orb, and run. It is only the way human brains happen to process information which gives us the mistaken intuition that action is somehow fundamentally different than inaction, and I'm certainly not going to ask permission every time I say something happened where your character might have interfered if he really existed. Hmmm... I make a good point. Most of the warlocks here would have cast Invis, grabbed the Orb, and run. Updated here.
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Derfel
Ronin Warlock
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Post by Derfel on Jan 2, 2009 19:53:44 GMT -5
I think that only works if it's something that is generally known... but asking about an unknown item? Doesn't make you inferior... it simply means you wish to know more. You are assuming my character knows nothing of the Orb.
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 2, 2009 20:27:02 GMT -5
Oh for crying out loud. Maknud is right. Are we supposed to ban all RP posts that go for longer than 10 seconds of RP time, so that there's always a chance for other warlocks to respond to anything before it goes any further? This is not an RP where the GM has designed the entire world and the entire plot and all you do is control one character in a party, going through more or less expected events. This is an RP where the world needs to be fleshed out by the players, and the originator of the story has provided an extremely minimal jumping-off point. So I don't think it's reasonable to demand that other warlocks not appear in your posts at ALL. Given that the clan rules were, thus far, totally unrevealed, unless you have a bug on my net connection I think assuming you hadn't seen the Orb before was reasonable That said, the story elements directly connected to the league / to warlocks are not really up for grabs. Casting Invis and stealing the Orb doesn't fit with the league, as I think is obvious. There are fairly simple RP explanations for these things if necessary as well (The cathedral has been on the hell-plane longer than you have been; do you really think it is unenchanted? And do you think Slarty's stupid enough to wave a powerful artifact in front of a mob of evil warlocks without suitable precautions?). It's also entirely reasonable to PM someone and say "that's not what I would have done, can you fix it?" I would have been happy to swap your name out, had I known you really objected. BTW, thank you for raising these objections -- it is helping me to articulate my own stance on this issue (and realize that it needs to be articulated). When this discussion is more settled I think I'll add some of these points to the RP guidelines.
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Post by BioLogIn on Jan 3, 2009 7:04:43 GMT -5
What I wanted to say if that it is not reasonable to expect from Slartucker (or from anyone else) to come up with complete setting for RP. It is a tremendous amount of work after all. It most be done, but in our case it must be done by all of us together. Wiki-style, if you like it. It is not necessary that everything we RP now will be non-contradicting to others RP; in fact, it is not realistic to expect that. But if we really try and behave our characters for longer then 3.5 hours, we might come up with some good setting in the end - built from non-contradicting RP pieces we will chose later.
Given this approach, I'd like to throw my 2 coppers in: 1) I think we need to throw Ravenblack's setting (hell plane=endless battles+endless torment) out of the window; There is no space for RP in this setting, and it is not supported by RB in any way. 2) I think we must keep it medieval. I'm speaking about xade's 'jeans and T-shirt' =) Because next time someone will use AK-47 in response to his opponent casting para, and what will we do then? 3) While we definitely need some kind of life other then Warlocks inhabiting hell-plane (we already have at least Gazebo and Inn built by someone). And an Inn implies some agriculture, some advanced carpentry and ton of other things which a definitely not all done by warlocks. 4) If we will allow casual 'humans' like innkeepers in the hell plane, then what does 'hell plane' means? What's ho hellish about keeping an inn on a different plane? I'd suggest that hell plane is inhabited by various kinds of monsters (we already have goblins\ogres\trolls\giants, we can throw imps and more devilish critters to the mix), some of which run inns, and some of which even work in fields (forced to work by bigger demons, f.e.).
It is all my humble opinion and suggestions. Please feel free to suggest your ideas\comment on mine.
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Post by ExDeath on Jan 3, 2009 8:26:35 GMT -5
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Post by xade on Jan 3, 2009 8:37:18 GMT -5
2) I think we must keep it medieval. I'm speaking about xade's 'jeans and T-shirt' =) Because next time someone will use AK-47 in response to his opponent casting para, and what will we do then?. Just to clarify this point- We've all been brought to the hell-plane, but I like the idea that we haven't all been brought from the same place. Or the same time. So while I don't have the advanced weaponry from my time, I'm certainly going to look the part, and reference the pop-culture references from my existence... Yanno in my time, PSDF was a HIT with the ladies... Heck- It's why I got into this whole warlocking thing...
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Post by xade on Jan 3, 2009 8:38:25 GMT -5
psssst- worst rick-roll ever.
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Post by BioLogIn on Jan 3, 2009 8:44:57 GMT -5
ExDeath Yeah, I saw that thread, and my post was partially a reply to it. But I wanted to reply to posts in this thread as well, so I decided I'll better post here.
xade well, I see your point.
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Derfel
Ronin Warlock
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Post by Derfel on Jan 3, 2009 9:06:17 GMT -5
What I wanted to say if that it is not reasonable to expect from Slartucker (or from anyone else) to come up with complete setting for RP. It is a tremendous amount of work after all. It most be done, but in our case it must be done by all of us together. Wiki-style, if you like it. It is not necessary that everything we RP now will be non-contradicting to others RP; in fact, it is not realistic to expect that. But if we really try and behave our characters for longer then 3.5 hours, we might come up with some good setting in the end - built from non-contradicting RP pieces we will chose later. This is sort of the source of my objections - we have no defined "GM" for this RP, so people have greater liberties with pretty much anything. None of us really know anything about each others' characters or traits, so even the smallest interjection of a name or an action can completely decimate the general idea of one's own character before they even get a chance to develop it. We need the setting and the current major players defined well before we can go any further with the RP idea, especially if there are to be "rewards" given for best RP, etc etc. Case in point - my whole schtick was that my character was going to be mute.
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 3, 2009 10:19:35 GMT -5
*facepalm* So all you had to do was PM me and say that! And I'm still happy to go back and edit that, if you want. But if you don't communicate at all, how are other people supposed to accomodate you?
We have to reasonably accomodating to each other. That means respecting other players in your own posts. I also think it means respecting the ability of other players to make reasonable posts. If something gets posted that conflicts with what you had in mind, you PM about it and they accomodate you. Forbidding us from making any reference whatsoever to other players is ridiculous.
I'm going to rewrite the RP guidelines post with significantly expanded and clarified guidelines later today.
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Post by BioLogIn on Jan 3, 2009 10:43:15 GMT -5
Derfel I guess everyone has already understood your point. 'My' (or 'our', if you prefer) point is that everyone agreed to work together on our RP setting in the way described by Slartucker in previous post. And everybody (that's 29 participants by now) seems OK with it so far. If you don't feel like working in this way - okay, you are welcome to ignore RP, it is totally optional part of League.
For example, my character already was targeted by a flame eruption (http://slarty.proboards56.com/index.cgi?board=leaguebubble&action=display&thread=470, post 4) after leaving the scene (in post 3) XD And I'm not holding a grudge VS xade or something. So... to me, you're overreacting a little about that mention of you in Slartucker's post.
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Derfel
Ronin Warlock
Did I Do That?
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Post by Derfel on Jan 3, 2009 11:07:21 GMT -5
But if you don't communicate at all, how are other people supposed to accomodate you? www.instantrimshot.com/Thanks - THAT'S the response I wanted.
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