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Post by wastelin on Feb 3, 2009 6:46:04 GMT -5
If hit with permanent psychosis, is a warlock allowed to commit suicide through force of will?
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Post by salvor on Feb 3, 2009 6:54:21 GMT -5
I have a one more question about Psychosis.
Does it means that Psychosis-caster every turn post the effect(amnesia/fear/maladroit) or he just say it once and then couldn`t change his choice?
As an analogy to permanent charm it looks like more normal is first option.
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Post by BioLogIn on Feb 3, 2009 8:22:53 GMT -5
What if a warlock ih hit by two psychosis simultaneously? Do they negate each other? Or do they both resolve?
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Post by Krosmarc on Feb 3, 2009 8:38:13 GMT -5
Permanent psychosis means: One choosen effect will be made permanent, right? What if a warlock ih hit by two psychosis simultaneously? Do they negate each other? Or do they both resolve? "If the target is hit by any mindspell (DPP, DSF, FFF, SWD, PSDF, PSDD, or another Psychosis) the same turn, Psychosis fails" => Psychosis-A hits Psychosis-B, canceling B... and while Psychosis-B hits Psychosis-A, A will be canceled as well. A "hit" is not negated, only the effect will be. A question of my own: Paralysis leading into Psychotic Paralysis... will the same hand be affected, or could you change paralysed hand? Same question for Paralysis following a Psychotic Para. |
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Post by maknud on Feb 3, 2009 11:31:17 GMT -5
Wastelin: Good point, yes. Declare in chat that you're suiciding anytime you would have the little checkbox and score as if you died that turn. To be precise, if your opponent casts Permanent Psychosis on you, on any subsequent turn where you are still permanent psychosis'd, you may "Stop your heart by force of will alone" and die. If you could not end the actual game due to not being able to surrender (Amnesia, etc), just surrender whenever you can; the turn you declared death is the end for scoring purposes.
Salvor: First option. If you have successfully permanently psychosis'd your opponent, you may declare in chat every turn which of Amnesia, Fear, or Maladroit it is. Defaults to whatever it was last time.
BioLogIn: Two psychosis simultaneously cancel, no points awarded, nothing to see.
#Krosmarc: Psychosis cannot be Paralysis. It can only be Amnesia, Fear, or Maladroit.
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Post by boomfrog on Feb 4, 2009 1:32:08 GMT -5
Salvor: First option. If you have successfully permanently psychosis'd your opponent, you may declare in chat every turn which of Amnesia, Fear, or Maladroit it is. Defaults to whatever it was last time. ...declare both the desired Psychosis effect and "PERMANENT" in chat. If successful, the victim is permanently affected by whatever effect the caster chose. Maknud, you and Slarty better talk this out and figure out who's right. I think your ways better, but it should be clear in the official rule. |
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Post by maknud on Feb 4, 2009 2:53:23 GMT -5
Oops, good point. When in doubt of course go with the posted rule.
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Post by Slartucker on Feb 4, 2009 15:53:02 GMT -5
That wasn't specified in the rule the Isle sent me, and since we were already behind deadline I just fleshed it out as best I could. If you really care, I can edit the rule. However, it's hard to imagine the situation where a permanent amnesia via psychosis would NOT be game-winning (and a perm amnesia/maladroit/fear would be). In general I would prefer to avoid changing the rule 3 days into the round, but I'm not sure it makes any difference in this case.
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Post by BioLogIn on Feb 4, 2009 16:46:14 GMT -5
BioLogIn vs Krosmarc games.ravenblack.net/warlocks?num=70226&full=1BioLogIn wins, but doesn't have a slightest idea how to score this game. There was: -2 for PsychoFear on T23 -2 for PsychoFear on T35 -3 for PsychoDelay on T47 +2 for PsychoFear on T48 Then I've somehow got the impression that Krosmarc fired his banked spell on T48 (while he was just indicating a banked spell which is perfectly right), and played T49 under this impression. But when I realised that I decided to play around this banked psychosis and faked invis into counter... which was on the very same turn when Krosmarc decided to bow out firing his banked charm as if it was fired on T48 when I misunderstood him. So the question is whether to count last (banked) psychosis as resolved (and I have +3 off this game) or as countered (and I have +5 off this game). Since it was mainly my actions that confused us, I'm fine with the first option. |
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Post by Krosmarc on Feb 4, 2009 17:03:56 GMT -5
Since I didn't expected the counterspell (thought really more on invis) I'm ok with +5 for you. So both of us made a mistake in the end.
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Post by xade on Feb 4, 2009 17:53:23 GMT -5
Awesome. Sounds like you guys have worked it out.  Either that, or you could flip a coin! |
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Post by Slartucker on Feb 4, 2009 18:16:17 GMT -5
The rule indicates that you don't get the +2 for a banked or delayed psychosis, but you get the flat +3 for casting it, whether or not it is successful. So it should be +10-5 = +5 either way, right?
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Post by Krosmarc on Feb 5, 2009 1:14:59 GMT -5
Ignoring the confused speakings: The gestures entered showed clearly a counterspell on the same turn Psychosis should be released. If you had gone invis, this was my last chance of a successful release of it, when you wanted to end this game. Don't know how important the league points are to you, but since Psychosis was not cast at every chance it seemed the points for a win were more important as for the Psychosis... so I had the chance to lower your win points and failed  |
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Post by BioLogIn on Feb 5, 2009 2:25:03 GMT -5
Oh well, I shouldn't have played last evening at all (( Totally misread everything, including my opponent and league rule.
To sort everything out:
I was wrong about the possibility to make +5 out of delayed psychosis. So my initial reading of the rule was right, and yesterday I suffered a kind of brain fart and misinformed and confused my opponent on turn 49.
Slarty, your're right about the fact there is no way to gain +5 off delayed psygnosis. But as per rule +3 is awarded when you delay psygnosis, not when you attempt to cast it... or am I misreading something again?
Anyway, if I read rule correctly this time, the game is +5=+10-2-2-3+2 for me. But I'd like to apologize to my opponent for all the confusion I caused ( I'm really sorry I messed everything up ((
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Post by Slartucker on Feb 5, 2009 15:56:37 GMT -5
As written it is +3 when psychosis is delayed, not when delayed psych is cast, which is zero. It is a bit odd. This month there should be more time for the rule to be sussed out before March.
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