Assumptions vs. Analysis

[calicojack]

I think there's been some confusion about my admittedly poorly chosen term 'attainable perfect knowledge'. We're all on the same page, vehemently agreeing with each other in different ways.

[taliesin]

Well, your opponent's mood and playstyle are simply not factors in the calculation we're speaking of here, and you will not attain the best results from randomising your choice. You succeed solely in ensuring that you neither gain nor lose anything from predictability. You were speaking initially of a very different case, one in which you are able to predict your opponent, and then it is possible to obtain much better results than the ones you get if you randomise.

[Rycchus]

Yes, you changed what you were talking about halfway through and seem to be matching the situations and the corresponding arguments up with very little consistency.

This has much less to do with the definition of "attainable perfect information" and more to do with whether the situation is a common/repeatable one. I'm not sure my repeating the distinction yet another time is going to be anything other than futile.

[calicojack]

I seem to have mistaken a forum for some sort of public lynching auditorium. Clearly my mistake.

I'll pay more heed to the thoroughly eviscerated dead horses next time.

Let me know when you lot grow some decency so I can start reading these forums again.

[Slartucker]

Sur, you know I respect you both as a player and an individual, but you're overreacting. The harshest words spoken here were your own pejorative insinuation about game theory.

I have no doubt that we were all thinking of the same main point in this thread, but when you explain something in a way that is kind of confusing -- to the degree that it includes statements which taken by themselves are incorrect -- you can't expect people not to correct them. And when you put others down in the same breath (the game theory comment) you can't expect your audience to be gentle with their correx.

As far as the AI thread goes, you said things that were wrong in a way that made them seem authoritative, and you were corrected. Simple as that.

I have certainly been corrected before on these forums, in more than one case by Taliesin. He knows his stuff. But I'm glad when that happens, because it's an opportunity to learn. And if I'm a little embarrassed that I made myself look foolish, well, I let my ego curl up with a bag of potato chips to comfort itself and I move on. I hope you get over it and stick around -- I'd much rather have you part of these forums than a bitter recluse.