Puzzle: Permanent parashielder

[salvor]

Suppose you've hit someone with permanent amnesia, and he decided to "fight till the end". How do you kill you?

If he does not have P on his hand, you can kill him in 15 turns via PPPPP/>>>>>.
If he does not have F on his hand, you can kill him in 8 turn via PWPFSSSD.

But what to do if he has FFF/PPP?

As a ctarting position of any solution, I suggest a W/W-position, since it can be obtained easily by self-DSF/SWD.

The quickest solution I can find (http://pastebin.com/sqPma26p) takes 20 turns. Can you do it quicker? Also I am interested in other solutions, which does not involve this technique.

Currently I found three solutions. Quickest takes 20 turns to kill, the slowest (loop with WFP) takes ~100 turns

P.S. Maladroit ParaFC

[Bat]

Haven't read your spoiler but does the player with permanent amnesia known your orders (moves and targets)? Or do you just want the smallest number of turns on average?

[salvor]

I wanted a full-proof method (no 50/50s involved), so essentially you have to assume that permanent amnesia player will know your orders.

[mikeEB]

WDSFF
WWSPF

If he paralyzes LH, resolve anti-spell and kill with summons around turn 12.
If he paralyzes RH, resolve disease and kill around turn 12.

EDIT: This assumes the opponent doesn't get a head start on para.

[mikeEB]

First iteration:
WDDCxxx
WPPCWPP

Second iteration, opponent chooses:
WPPWPP
WFSSDD
(if para'd on turn 1)

WSDFFDD
WSDFFDD
(if not para'd on turn 1; opponent does not choose this because he dies)

Third iteration, opponent chooses:
WPPWPP
WFSSDD
(if para'd on turn 1)

WSDWFP
WSWPFD

(if not para'd on turn 1)

19 turns.

[salvor]

Dec 13, 2013 1:38:56 GMT -5 mikeEB said:

WDSFF
WWSPF

If he paralyzes LH, resolve anti-spell and kill with summons around turn 12.
If he paralyzes RH, resolve disease and kill around turn 12.

EDIT: This assumes the opponent doesn't get a head start on para.

Right you are, it's the quickest kill I know if you are unpara'd for first two turns.

Dec 13, 2013 2:23:08 GMT -5 mikeEB said:

First iteration:
WDDCxxx
WPPCWPP

Second iteration, opponent chooses:
WPPWPP
WFSSDD
(if para'd on turn 1)

WSDFFDD
WSDFFDD
(if not para'd on turn 1; opponent does not choose this because he dies)

Third iteration, opponent chooses:
WPPWPP
WFSSDD
(if para'd on turn 1)

WSDWFP
WSWPFD

(if not para'd on turn 1)

19 turns.

Wow, it's awesome. Didn't think of fireball.

[mikeEB]

Here's a much slower but very different solution:

WPPDSF
WWWSPP

(RH must be paralyzed to avoid anti-spell)
(DSF)C>>>
(SPP)CWPP

For when you're determined to kill your opponent using stabs. Kills in 151 turns.

[Bat]

Well, if you are going to count time-stopped turns then you should probably summon a goblin or something...

But that stabby solution made me think of

WPPCWPPWPPCWPPWPPC
WSSCCxxWSSCCxxWDDC
You might have to start with

WWSSC
WWPPC
if not paralysed on turn 0.

Edit: Removed some edits that made no sense. Shows you how much I really know about paralysis...

[eliotn]

Dec 15, 2013 10:41:17 GMT -5 mikeEB said:

Here's a much slower but very different solution:

WPPDSF
WWWSPP

(RH must be paralyzed to avoid anti-spell)
(DSF)C>>>
(SPP)CWPP

For when you're determined to kill your opponent using stabs. Kills in 151 turns.

Doesn't work, as the opponent can just shield those stabs.

[salvor]

Dec 19, 2013 8:57:33 GMT -5 eliotn said:

Doesn't work, as the opponent can just shield those stabs.

One of them is timestopped, so it does work.

[Dubber]

Opponent: Perm Amnesia P/F
-- stabs (nor monsters) are not going to kill opponent unless opponent will cast the shield at someone other than self.

[salvor]

Jan 6, 2014 14:45:29 GMT -5 Dubber said:

Opponent: Perm Amnesia P/F
-- stabs (nor monsters) are not going to kill opponent unless opponent will cast the shield at someone other than self.

Time-stopped stab damages even when opponent is shielded.