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Post by awall on Oct 20, 2007 0:33:26 GMT -5
Not to rush you Slarty, but have you had a chance to take a look at Toyotami and my games yet? If you haven't had time, that's okay; Xade and Zugzwang have a while to go yet, so there's time.
It's mostly that I don't want to start too many side games if I'm still in the tournament and will have to spend most of my time thinking about that match.
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Post by Rycchus on Oct 20, 2007 9:39:44 GMT -5
I know in one respect precedent has been set by Spez and zugz, but they were a couple of rounds behind everyone else. I don't think it would be unfair to let awall and Toyo play another game to decide.
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Post by xade on Oct 20, 2007 19:04:23 GMT -5
Yeh, that's it, if me and Zugz keep playing at our current rate, we'll be finished sometime next year... (So yeah, there should be plenty of time for a decider if the rules allow it )
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Post by xade on Oct 24, 2007 5:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by spez on Oct 26, 2007 14:03:38 GMT -5
So what's going on now in the tourney? Awall vs Toyo? Spacca vs Rycchus? Xade and Zugz?
Xade, if you win against zug, while I have ~lost~ him and I have beaten you twice in a row in our "what it could have been" games, i'll be kinda disapointed :-P
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Post by awall on Oct 26, 2007 14:14:15 GMT -5
I don't know about the others, but Toyo and I are still waiting for Slartucker's judgement on which of us get to move on. He's been busy lately.
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Post by ExDeath on Oct 26, 2007 15:42:41 GMT -5
I don't know about the others, but Toyo and I are still waiting for Slartucker's judgement on which of us get to move on. He's been busy lately. You guys play quickly, I don't see what's so bad about playing another game.
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Post by toyotami on Oct 31, 2007 20:06:44 GMT -5
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Post by awall on Nov 2, 2007 0:46:36 GMT -5
Toyotami, I appreciate the gesture. I'd just like to say for the record that we didn't play this game as a tiebreaker, and didn't mention the tournament at all during the game, so you're under no obligation to withdraw here. If you still want to, then I promise I'll go whoop up on Xade or Zugzwang for you.
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Post by zugzwang on Nov 2, 2007 3:59:30 GMT -5
Game 2 complete (61053) - pleasingly tense match, with Xade repeatedly evaporating my seeming advantage... but enough got through in the end, just.
Our tie-breaker begins. May it not end in double-death.
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Post by xade on Nov 2, 2007 6:04:29 GMT -5
I felt on the back foot that whole game... I was happy to get it that close... though I think I would have prefered a double death if I could have gotten it...
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 2, 2007 8:07:28 GMT -5
Okay... finally a real post from me.
Sorry this took so long. The games were close and required some scrutiny and I just haven't had the time to deal with them. Thankfully, the speed of Xade and Zugzwang's match kept this from being a real delay.
I'm actually not 100% done scrutinizing, but seeing as Toyotami has resigned, there's nothing for it. However, my first passes through the games favored Awall anyway:
60307 - Awall held onto initiative for the first half of the game (despite opening S/W against D/P), going through a banked time stop, a haste, and ending up with "just" an ogre due to a mistake with haste. Toyo then dispatched the ogre fairly quickly and began dispatching Awall's health with similar efficiency, due to somewhat muddled play on Awall's part. Awall summoned a troll at the end, but it was too late to save him. Good play from both players, mistakes from both players. Awall's mistakes at the end were a bit worse.
60548 - Awall again holds initiative. Toyo meets Awall's invis with his own haste, which Awall counters cannily with SWD + PDWP, seguing into a mostly risk-free ParaFOD -- and Toyo falls apart, choosing a suboptimal defense that only gives one 50/50, which he loses. Significantly better play for Awall than for Toyotami.
61503 - A bit of a comedy of errors, with both players making mistakes and forgetting options left and right. Awall forgets about his delay effect, loses his initiative, but gets an ogre; Toyo eats 6 damage for WDDc and fails to take initiative. A bizarre mixup, whereby Awall casts WWFP instead of WFP, and Toyo reverses his hands -- on the SAME TURN -- leads to a double death. Which, frankly, was the most fitting conclusion for this match. Not a particularly good show for either player.
So after one pass at least, Awall's win was stronger than Toyo's and his play was more consistent overall.
To answer the question of "why not have them play a fourth game?" -- one which seems particularly salient seeing as they ended up doing it unofficially anyway: It wouldn't be fair. The rules do not, in fact, suggest playing a fourth game in the event of a tie. Since I have already been following the rules in that regard, with the Zugzwang-Spez match, it would be inconsistent to do it differently here. Time would be a poor reason to do it differently; as that would allow an unscrupulous player (or rather, a maximal metagamer) to manipulate the existence of a fourth match, based on whether or not he thinks he would win the subjective evaluation, by modulating the speed of his play.
Anyway, Awall moves on.
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Post by Rycchus on Nov 4, 2007 12:37:42 GMT -5
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 10, 2007 15:15:06 GMT -5
Spacca and Rycchus, has game two started yet? Zugzwang and Xade, it's been a month and you're on game two (and near full health). I haven't been paying close attention, but do either of you have input on who's playing slowly? You've played a total of 55 turns after about 30 days, which is LESS than one submission per day each. I know I may not have provided the most inspiring example to follow, handling the awall/toyo match, but geez... I probably should have put an extra, no-exceptions-possible time limit in the rules for just this situation. Oh well. Once I have heard from both players, I will decide whether to allow the game to continue or to issue a ruling now. Hopefully, the 2007 tournament can actually end in 2007.
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Post by zugzwang on Nov 10, 2007 16:40:18 GMT -5
Actually, it's game 3, the decider.
Xade was certainly the bottleneck for quite a while earlier on, though I have been playing a little slowly for the last week or so. I'm not sure who should get the most blame overall - around half and half, I think.
Sadly I can't promise to play quickly this next week - I'm going (again... accursed real life!) to be away from regular internet access during the week.
I've been playing pretty piss-poorly - if you decide that a quick judgement is required, I would in all objectivity suggest that Xade deserves to go on more than I do.
BTW, thinking about it - what we should have done is play all three games simultaneously, rather than in series. Ah well.
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