UFC & WARLOCKS?

[succat]

I may be the only one here , but I can't help draw comparisons between UFC fights and Warlock battles every time I watch the UFC. The styles that these guys use!

Brazilian jiujitsu with all of it's crafty arm locks, leg locks, and chokes reminds me of FoD, Disease, and Poison

Stand up fights with a lot of striking, both from the legs and hands reminds me of Cause Light & Cause Heavy Wounds

The real damaging blows like hard knees or knockdown punches are like Bolts and Fireballs..

In many fights one guy will rain down blows until it looks like the other guy doesn't even have a chance, but then he'll sneak in a nice jiujitsu move and instantly win the fight while the other guy is tapping for mercy. I can't help but see a surrender to an FoD in that instance (while the loser was summoning monsters and landing damage, he forgot about the arm bar)

Hmmm, using heavy para is like one guy using a constant wrestling pressure to dominate the other guy against the fence or on the ground so that he can try to pin him down and land damage that way or even go for a submission move. 'Course, that can always backfire, and that guy can wind up eating a Bolt or getting submitted by an FoD himself. Yeah, I haven't quite worked out the monsters yet, but maybe if I keep watching I'll see something. OK, too much fighting for me, I'm out!

a rough assessment perhaps:
Toyo ~ Machida
Bio ~ Arlovski
xade ~ Rampage
succat ~ Ortiz ;D
you ~ ?

[xade]

That works for me... I think he might need a cape though...

[freesoul]

<-- Matt Hughes

[ExDeath]

Wanderlei Silva plz

[succat]

..and Taliesin ~ Fedor Emelianenko ?

[nawglan]

<--- George "The Animal" Steele... oh wait. Wrong type of combat. 8)

[Dubber]

<-- Jesse "The Body" Ventura or "Stone Cold" Steve Austin?
(yes, I know, UFC != WWF/WWE)

[rasteroid]

I dno about the Brazilian Jiu-jitsu comparison.. that's pretty much the most effective style under UFC rules, pioneered by the Gracie brothers, where the guy on the floor limbs pointing up is in a better position than the guy standing up. It's much more powerful than Disease or Poison, I'd more compare it to a long slow endurance match against a paraholic where you wheedle him down with magic missiles snuck in between PSxx standoffs. *coughsuccatcough*

The problem with any kind of institutionalized fighting is they always have to impose unrealistic rules that wouldn't enter into a real fight.. real fights are all crotch kicking, eye gouging, and the time honoured running-away-to-grab-your-gat.

pop pop negro.

[Derfel]

I'd be the guy that cleans up the blood afterwards, methinks...

[rasteroid]

nice tooth necklace

[Slartucker]

Taliesin studies judo and often made comparisons between the two endeavors.

[taliesin]

I actually do both judo and BJJ - judo for four years now, BJJ three.

Jul 16, 2008 12:14:41 GMT -5 rasteroid said:

I dno about the Brazilian Jiu-jitsu comparison.. that's pretty much the most effective style under UFC rules, pioneered by the Gracie brothers, where the guy on the floor limbs pointing up is in a better position than the guy standing up.

Well, the original UFC rules (no biting, no eye-gouging, all else is permitted) were the Gracie rules. A lot of the new rules have been to inhibit the old grappler tricks such as taking people's backs and firing elbows into the back of their neck and kicking their kidneys from guard.

Being on the bottom, even in guard, isn't a better position in MMA. Guard's the best bottom position, and is a fairly neutral position when there are no strikes, but it's always better to be on top. The Gracies didn't put anything like as much effort into learning takedown skills, though - they didn't need to when they were so much better on the ground that they could afford to start from slightly inferior positions. Now people cross-train everything, and few fighters can afford to give away big advantages in any range.

Jul 16, 2008 12:14:41 GMT -5 rasteroid said:

The problem with any kind of institutionalized fighting is they always have to impose unrealistic rules that wouldn't enter into a real fight.. real fights are all crotch kicking, eye gouging, and the time honoured running-away-to-grab-your-gat.

The modern UFC is merely a more sanitised form of the older Vale Tudo rules which did indeed allow punching people in the crotch a lot, and there've been a few early matches that had a bit of admittedly illegal eye gouging (Gordeau-Nakai springs to mind). And, frankly, they often don't make nearly as much difference as you'd think; Gordeau even lost the fight in which he permanently blinded his opponent's eye to an excruciating leg lock.

I like MMA, because it's applying science to fighting. You have a controlled test environment where you eliminate outside factors such as who has their mates with them or who's got a gun in the car; you set up the experiment, you run it, you record the test data and you modify the fighter training to be more effective. And after a little while, people started converging on roughly the same fighting style - boxing or muay thai for striking, wrestling or judo for takedowns, BJJ for groundfighting, and ground and pound pretty much had to be invented from scratch.

Getting back on topic, I do feel the BJJ maxim applies very much to Warlocks: "Position before submission". You need to control your opponent's spellflow before you attack, just as you need to immobilise your opponent before you go for the submission. However, in Warlocks, unlike grappling, the control alone can sometimes win you the game without reinforcement - if that control is summoning-based.