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Post by ExDeath on Sept 23, 2008 20:19:37 GMT -5
Would that be the "clashing" that occured after I politely refused your challenge by saying I was inactive, and you claimed to be "king of the hill until I prove otherwise" and that I should "stop being a coward and defend my spot", just because I logged in regularly to check my PMs? Yes, you're right, he wasn't there for that, and neither was anybody else, but I'm guessing your behavior is transparent enough for them to presume that it occured without having witnessed it firsthand.  nice twist to what really happened... Why don't you just use the same vulgarity and arrogance on here as you do when we've talked off the forums.. probably cuz you know how it'd make you look. Like the uncouth coward and liar you are. You weren't polite - ever! And I never said I was better than you, but you disrespected me and said I was nothing, so I defended myself... and I'm still defending myself. I don't think my replies to you on this forum have ever been anything short of arrogant, to be quite honest. The only vulgarity I ever used was to tell you to f*** off and never speak to me again after you bombarded me incessantly with messages of "FEAR!" and "chicken". I was polite even then, as I prefaced "f*** off" with the word "please". As for defending yourself? Give me a break. Your vocal opinion is that old masters' past accomplishments mean nothing, and anyone here with half a brain can understand that I'd have no reason to call you out on your play or your character unless you were verbally undermining my current position as #1 on ladder and Elo. I don't do that with everyone, or anyone, because nobody else has claimed that they are "king of the hill until proven otherwise". Just you. Maybe I am a jerk, but there was no drama on these forums until you arrived. I'm not antagonizing you, and I'm not the one making myself look bad. You go ahead and keep digging that hole, sir. |
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Post by succat on Sept 23, 2008 20:38:10 GMT -5
I don't think my replies to you on this forum have ever been anything short of arrogant, to be quite honest. The only vulgarity I ever used was to tell you to f*** off and never speak to me again after you bombarded me incessantly with messages of "FEAR!" and "chicken". I was polite even then, as I prefaced "f*** off" with the word "please". As for defending yourself? Give me a break. Your vocal opinion is that old masters' past accomplishments mean nothing, and anyone here with half a brain can understand that I'd have no reason to call you out on your play or your character unless you were verbally undermining my current position as #1 on ladder and Elo. I don't do that with everyone, or anyone, because nobody else has claimed that they are "king of the hill until proven otherwise". Just you. Maybe I am a jerk, but there was no drama on these forums until you arrived. I'm not antagonizing you, and I'm not the one making myself look bad. You go ahead and keep digging that hole, sir. Again, you are totally changing the facts. I never bombarded you with tons of messages and never said I was better than you. I did call you a chicken, yes, and I did call you a coward.... and I still do. Let me tell you why I do, though When I challenged you the first time, you said I was nothing, and that you were my "god". You said I was inferior and unworthy of playing you, and so I called you a coward. When I challenged you just recently, I made sure to challenge your lower Elo alt, Sasuke, so as not to mess up your Elo on your main account should I win. You then messaged me as to why I just didn't challenge you on the ExDeath account instead. I told you why, and then challenged your ExDeath account instead, to which you again refused the challenge, this time saying my Elo wasn't "respectable" enough. Of course, my Elo was more respectable than Sasuke's but you refused that, so I again called you a coward, and wrote "FEAR" because that is simply the case now, no matter how hard you make it seem like I'm the antagonizer. You say the forums had no problems 'til I came, and if that's the case, it wasn't my intention to wreak havoc in the forums and I apologize for that. But I will defend myself from the way you twist things. Yeah, you are a jerk, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were the same master from before that pulled that dishonorable stunt. |
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Post by awall on Sept 25, 2008 14:50:27 GMT -5
A quick analogy: Let's say there was a young and upcoming martial arts student. In a relatively short amount of time, he'd demonstrated a great deal of talent and had risen to brown or black belt. After defeating many of the other members of his dojo, he decided to challenge the sensei. The sensei refused and told the student that he wasn't ready yet, and that he needed to train more.
Who here would argue that the sensei refused because he was afraid?
Succat, you're right that ExDeath is pretty arrogant about his superiority. However, you should keep in mind what he has accomplished. He has been the highest-rated player for longer than I've been playing Warlocks, with an almost perfect win ratio even against players like xade, Bio, and Toyotami. He's contributed a great deal to the strategy of this game, and possesses an extremely deep understanding of it, as much so (arguably even more so) than Taliesin. You have done quite well for yourself, especially considering the amount of time you've been playing, but you don't have the same degree of clout that he has. No matter how many games you have won or will win with para, this does not make a better* player than ExDeath.
As far as conduct goes, I feel ExDeath is justified in the way he has responded to you. Pestering a player to play games against you even when he has repeatedly told you that he did not wish to do so is not a particularly respectable behavior. Calling him a coward and dishonorable goes a step further. I agree that ExDeath is being a jerk to you, but I feel that you're asking for it.
(*This depends on your definition of "better." I'm sure a case could be argued either way, but I'm stating things the way I see them.)
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Post by succat on Sept 25, 2008 15:35:27 GMT -5
Awall,
I understand your points, but again, I did not claim to be better than exDeath. I realize that he has done a lot in Warlocks, and I never intended to strip him of that.
Obviously my mistake is that I ever challenged him. I didn't pester him about it, but when he rudely said that I was inferior to him, that's when I called him out. I understand he has clout, and most everyone bends the knee, but I cannot. He insulted me too much for no good reason, rather than politely turning down my request for a challenge.
And now, I do undermine his position as #1. He's lost all my respect and so this is a verbal challenge in front of everyone to him.
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Post by ExDeath on Sept 25, 2008 17:17:40 GMT -5
succat, I don't think it's unreasonable at this point to say that you're viewed on these forums as little more than a troll and a nuisance, and nobody would mourn terribly if you stopped posting, or at least stopped calling me out in public. It's bad enough that you are antagonizing me over PMs and messages in-game (which are regrettably unignorable), but bringing your inadequacies to a forum that has been drama-free for years is obviously not working out so well for you. Perhaps it's time to give up the ghost.
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Post by succat on Sept 25, 2008 17:33:46 GMT -5
ex, you know very well that i have tried to make peace with you. As for the antagonizing you keep talking about, yes, I wish you would stop sending me messages telling me how great you are and how bad I am... it's really sickening. You insist on sending me rude messages, and I'm saying to you to back-up your supposed greatness (which you may have indeed had at one time, but have surely lost by now). You are the Billy Mitchell of Warlocks, at least in personality.
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Post by Slartucker on Sept 25, 2008 17:42:11 GMT -5
Crikeys, guys. Succat, you absolutely have pestered ExDeath, by repeating proclaiming on the forums that he is a coward, etc. Succat stirred up drama, but it takes two to tango, and I think ExDeath can claim just as much credit for the drama. On the other hand Succat has contributed intelligently to other conversations, so it's hardly fair to say that anybody thinks he is only a troll, or wants him to disappear.
I would tell you both to shut up and stop fighting, but frankly, in the absence of anything interesting going on tactically or with the ladder, a little bit of drama is probably the best thing for the continued health of the player community, right now. :-D
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Post by ExDeath on Sept 25, 2008 17:59:57 GMT -5
You aren't asking for peace, you're asking for forgiveness, and frankly you've made too much of an ass of yourself for me to forgive. I responded to your request with:
"All I ever wanted is for you to never speak to me, or direct any posts towards me. I told you that. Unless you antagonize me, there is no reason for me to argue with you. "
And you responded by saying that you would leave me alone just as soon as I stop having a power trip. What do you care if I power trip or not? You're supposedly trying to make peace. You don't have to deal with me. Go away, and live your own life.
I do not want to drag every PM you have ever sent me into the open, for everybody else's sake, but the clear FACT of this matter is that I have never once initiated a dialogue with you, not once, via forum or PM or message. Not once have I challenged you, or spoken to you out of the blue, or sent you a random message of "chicken". I have no need to. I want nothing from you except silence. You are trying to make me out to be the bad guy here, even going so far as to maliciously and juvenilely attempt to set back my karma score (which Slartucker's logs will back up) when I have not altered yours a single time. It's others who hate you, not just me, and the only thing "sickening" here is your pathetic act to claim that I am somehow harassing you and causing you great mental distress, which nobody here will believe no matter how much you cry and play the victim.
It's true that I have sent you many rude and completely justified messages, just as you have done to me. I have said many hurtful things towards you, but none of them were unprovoked. Nor will they continue if you leave me and everybody else here alone.
BTW, your claims are moot, there is one person who has reached my Elo and I immediately challenged and defeated him. It's the only Elo match I've played. You can't say I'm not defending my position, because you've never threatened my position, and I defended it from the only one who has.
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Post by ExDeath on Sept 25, 2008 18:01:59 GMT -5
Crikeys, guys. Succat, you absolutely have pestered ExDeath, by repeating proclaiming on the forums that he is a coward, etc. Succat stirred up drama, but it takes two to tango, and I think ExDeath can claim just as much credit for the drama. Let's see how many messages of "chicken" and "I'm king of the hill" and "why are you so scared?" you can take before you pull out the can of whipass. And please prevent him from further destroying my karma score, thanks. |
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Post by succat on Sept 25, 2008 18:20:39 GMT -5
Slartucker, at least one Master has some sense around here Ex, forgiveness for what??? You have instigated this whole entire thing all because I challenged you many months ago, and you couldn't just decline with respect. I don't have any issues with any other players on here right now, but for some reason, you don't like the fact that I ever challenged you the first time, and you have made sure to spew nothing but hate my way. I am sorry if I offended you before, and that was never my intention, but if you think that I'm supposed to just sit by stupidly and take your garbage and never say anything about it, well then, you are wrong, my friend. Yes, I just smited you, and it actually felt good |
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Post by ExDeath on Sept 25, 2008 18:26:55 GMT -5
Slartucker, at least one Master has some sense around here Ex, forgiveness for what??? You have instigated this whole entire thing all because I challenged you many months ago, and you couldn't just decline with respect. I don't have any issues with any other players on here right now, but for some reason, you don't like the fact that I ever challenged you the first time, and you have made sure to spew nothing but hate my way. I am sorry if I offended you before, and that was never my intention, but if you think that I'm supposed to just sit by stupidly and take your garbage and never say anything about it, well then, you are wrong, my friend. Yes, I just smited you, and it actually felt good Umm, really, you challenged me and I declined it without saying anything. After that, you sent me a new challenge, with a message that you're king of the hill unless I can prove otherwise. I was inactive, I was just logging in to check my messages for god's sake. I received 4 or 5 challenges and I declined them all, yours was one of them, and you are the only one who initiated a conversation with me. I believe 2 of the others belonged to Dubber (or awall?) and Spacca. I didn't call them out and tell them they were unworthy to challenge me, as you so claim. That's just laughable. Why are you ignoring the real issue here? From day 1, your claim has been that I am a coward and I will not defend my standing. That has been the sole basis for all of your ranting and all of your arguments. But I've done that now. I've defended my standing, in game, convincingly. I'm curious now in what new way you will attempt to undermine my character. |
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Post by xade on Sept 25, 2008 18:32:06 GMT -5
BTW, your claims are moot, there is one person who has reached my Elo and I immediately challenged and defeated him. It's the only Elo match I've played. You can't say I'm not defending my position, because you've never threatened my position, and I defended it from the only one who has. hey, I see what you did there...  Although you have certainly put a bee under Suc's bonnet, he's playing like a man possessed these days! Quit antagonising him, my ELO can't take it!!  |
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Post by Slartucker on Sept 25, 2008 18:34:10 GMT -5
Actually, succat has smited other people more often and more repeatedly than he has smited you, ExDeath. "Malicious and juvenile" doesn't seem to apply.
Seriously, for someone who obviously knows how to play it cool and keep his emotions in check -- I mean, you've got to playing poker professionally -- I am a bit amazed at how quickly succat gets to you and provokes you into making these long, emotional, drama-laden posts.
When you respond to something, you feed it; no matter whether it is an affirmation or a rebuttal. If you want it to disappear, ignore it.
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Post by xade on Sept 25, 2008 18:43:27 GMT -5
don't ignore it, just enjoy it! I'm very much entertained by this back and forth. *sits back* *prepares popcorn*  Just so long as we all realise that it's the internet, and just a game *shakes finger* |
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Post by ExDeath on Sept 25, 2008 18:59:35 GMT -5
Slartucker, at least one Master has some sense around here Ex, forgiveness for what??? You have instigated this whole entire thing all because I challenged you many months ago, and you couldn't just decline with respect. I don't have any issues with any other players on here right now, but for some reason, you don't like the fact that I ever challenged you the first time, and you have made sure to spew nothing but hate my way. I am sorry if I offended you before, and that was never my intention, but if you think that I'm supposed to just sit by stupidly and take your garbage and never say anything about it, well then, you are wrong, my friend. Yes, I just smited you, and it actually felt good Umm, really, you challenged me and I declined it without saying anything. After that, you sent me a new challenge, with a message that you're king of the hill unless I can prove otherwise. I was inactive, I was just logging in to check my messages for god's sake. I received 4 or 5 challenges and I declined them all, yours was one of them, and you are the only one who initiated a conversation with me. I believe 2 of the others belonged to Dubber (or awall?) and Spacca. I didn't call them out and tell them they were unworthy to challenge me, as you so claim. That's just laughable. Why are you ignoring the real issue here? From day 1, your claim has been that I am a coward and I will not defend my standing. That has been the sole basis for all of your ranting and all of your arguments. But I've done that now. I've defended my standing, in game, convincingly. I'm curious now in what new way you will attempt to undermine my character. Re: Slartucker There's no arguing that I'm feeding it, willfully. But ignoring it is simply not in my nature. It goes back to my days on Usenet; whenever trolls would post, everyone just said "oh, it's a troll, ignore him", but I would get into long debates with the troll, arguing and prodding and whatever I could do. At first, you're right, it's the attention they're seeking, but slowly they get worn down, and antagonism turns into frustration, which turns into desperation, which turns into depression and them finally leaving the forum altogether. In the end, it's entertaining for everybody except the troll, and the end result is favorable. |
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nice twist to what really happened... Why don't you just use the same vulgarity and arrogance on here as you do when we've talked off the forums.. probably cuz you know how it'd make you look. Like the uncouth coward and liar you are. You weren't polite - ever! And I never said I was better than you, but you disrespected me and said I was nothing, so I defended myself... and I'm still defending myself. 
