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Post by Dubber on Nov 12, 2008 17:53:28 GMT -5
Oh & which moderator made Slarty "Old Master of the Iron Fist"? That's priceless
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 12, 2008 18:11:26 GMT -5
It was Xade's suggestion, and it was pretty funny. I then thought of ExDeath's, I think they complement each other nicely. And, they both fit into the "waving hands" theme. I suppose I should come up with other parts of the hand to use for the other masters.
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Post by Dubber on Nov 13, 2008 8:39:15 GMT -5
I dunno, it almost comes across that you're trying to incite him...
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Post by BioLogIn on Nov 13, 2008 8:58:39 GMT -5
Slartucker I'm inclined to agree with Dubs. My understanding of internet forums is that profile fields "belong" to user, not to a forum admin, unless otherwise clearly stated by rules. (While admin certainly can modify them if they break forum rules, they still must be set by user.) While I think I understand that you're doing this to give some fresh air to community, some users may disagree to your nicks or even feel like you are insulting them or something (even if you totally didn't mean to).
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 13, 2008 16:25:40 GMT -5
Different forums are run differently. On the forums I have frequented in the past, custom titles have been doled out by the admin, which I feel heightens the humor a bit. Regardless, it isn't a "profile field" any more than the postcount title is.
As for mine and ExDeath's, I was really just making light of the situation (with regards to both of us). I laughed, anyway.
If anyone really has a problem with their title, they are certainly welcome to ask for it removed. I don't see why I wouldn't.
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Post by xade on Nov 13, 2008 16:47:25 GMT -5
I agree with all of you - if ex sees the funny side, all good - otherwise, all bad. But that beside - admin doled titles *are* funny and do add humour! Definitely don't get rid of them!
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Post by freesoul on Nov 13, 2008 17:36:26 GMT -5
The most offensive title of all, is no title
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Post by nawglan on Nov 13, 2008 21:05:26 GMT -5
but you have one freesoul. 8)
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Post by ExDeath on Nov 15, 2008 11:13:31 GMT -5
I harbor a multitude of negative feelings on this subject, but I'll begin with the (only) positive: I chuckled at my title change, and I approve.
Since directing disagreement towards the forum admin is taboo, I'll direct it at Derfel instead. Derfel, do you understand that, as of now, I am the #1 active player in ladder and Elo? Despite the fact that I gained my Elo a long time ago before inflation, it is still the highest, and I defended it when it was in danger of being passed. I have never been someone who plays more than 2 games at a time, and usually I do what I'm doing now, I sit and wait for someone to approach me in ladder or in Elo and then I play them. Do you expect me to play meaningless rated matches just for the sake of it? I thought that's what VFs were for. As far as I remember, there was no quota of rated games that needed to be played in order to keep "master" status. You can't really make a case that I'm not on top of my game, because I am something like 25-2 in VF's which are a handicap for me, being that in rated games I spend 1-2 days per move and in VFs I spend 10 minutes. My 2 losses to Dubber and Bio reflect this. So it's not about skill. And if it's about activity, why is Tchichi being stripped? He's plenty active.
Anyway, this is a change which affects exactly two people, and I'm still baffled at the fact that neither of them was consulted before making a decision. I said a lot of things rashly because I was angry, but my opinion hasn't changed, and the way this mess has been handled by the admin has caused me to lose all interest in the game and the community. I was the president of the largest online Magic league in history, with thousands of members, and I can tell you that this isn't the way a community should be run. I was banned for something that I admitted was a mistake and edited out 10 minutes later. It was a spite ban, nothing more. That's all I'm going to say, I believe I've kept it civil, but I won't be around for awhile so I suppose it doesn't matter.
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Post by ExDeath on Nov 15, 2008 11:27:47 GMT -5
Also, I'll just add this, because I think in my rage, I failed to get across the reason why I find this change so insulting. The term "old master" implies that one no longer has the skill to be a master. But at some point, there's only so much to achieve. What if I reached 2200, and said "Ok, playing rated games isn't really worth my time anymore, but I'm still going to be active in the community, and I'll take any VF challenges that come my way." Would you really start calling me an "old" master then? It's really insulting, because, I spend more time analyzing games and annotating them and compiling players' patterns than most people even spend playing. You're honestly crazy if you think anyone knows the game, or the players, better than I do right now. And I think if you polled all of the top players and asked them who they would least like to play against if they needed a win to save their life, I would be #1 or #2 on every list. That's why I feel the title "old master" is not acceptable, regardless of my activity level. Does that make sense to you?
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 15, 2008 12:14:35 GMT -5
Also, I'll just add this, because I think in my rage, I failed to get across the reason why I find this change so insulting. The term "old master" implies that one no longer has the skill to be a master. Let me respond to this first, because it's a misunderstanding that is partially my fault, as I could have explained this better when I made the announcement post. "Old master" doesn't imply that to me and I certainly didn't mean for it to imply "washed up" to anybody. The only place I've ever heard the term used before was in reference to the Old Masters of European art history. Painters, sculptors, and so on whose work was widely revered and who were considered to be masters of their arts, but who belonged to a bygone era. That was the image that was conjured up in my head when I used those words. (It's also what wikipedia gives you if you look up old master, so I'm not alone in this.) Again, I'm sorry that you found it insulting! It wasn't meant to be insulting. And nobody else has said that it seems insulting. Honestly, Ex, I think you are being a bit hypersensitive about this.
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Post by mikeEB on Nov 15, 2008 12:42:58 GMT -5
How about we just give "Old Master" an official, objective criterion and drop the argument. Say, "Anyone who achieved Master status before the creation of this forum." Or "Anyone who has been a Master for at least 2 years." No mention of activity anywhere, nothing to be insulted at.
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 15, 2008 12:44:20 GMT -5
Since directing disagreement towards the forum admin is taboo, I'll direct it at Derfel instead. *sigh* You are more than welcome to direct disagreement towards me. Seriously, I *like* hearing opinions that are different from mine. That's the only way to learn, and talking to yourself is boring. What you are not welcome to do is to direct insults and personal attacks towards me or towards anybody else. I think I have been pretty clear about this distinction. You know, part of the reason people don't listen when you go off on these rants about how you are the best of the best is that you have been absolutely indefatiguable in your use of ANY justification to further that claim -- regardless of the accuracy of the justification. You bragged at one point about your #1 win percentage, when (a) it wasn't actually #1, and (b) you and I both know it's a meaningless statistic. Then there was the time you claimed combining ExDeath's and DeathEx's records (or was it Sasuke? I forget) would produce an Elo upwards of 2100; when we did the math out, the Elo gain was much more modest. I don't think anybody doubts that you are the best player currently on the active warlocks list. (Except maybe succat But you aren't particularly active, that's a simple fact. You are playing one non-Elo battle. It's not like you were playing an Elo battle last week. There's exactly one in your history. I know you played a few others recently, but the total is still low. How many Elo battles have you played in the last 6 months? This is certainly true. You haven't lost "master" status. Nobody has. In fact the word "master" hasn't changed at all. I did a google search on that because I was curious. I didn't find it, but I did find an online Magic trading league from which you were banned under suspicion of repeated mail fraud.
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Post by Derfel on Nov 15, 2008 13:15:25 GMT -5
I did a google search on that because I was curious. I didn't find it, but I did find an online Magic trading league from which you were banned under suspicion of repeated mail fraud. Oh... SNAP! Anyways - the point is this - if you want to maintain the appearance of being "the best", you have to prove it. You've been challenged several times by a player here that thinks he can defeat you, and you've refused, claiming he's "beneath you" or some other rubbish. Why not just prove you are still a "Master", and not an "Old Master"? I know I'm not anywhere close to be any sort of "Master", but I'm good with that. Apparently your title of "Master" means much more to you, so why not put some money where that mouth of yours is and reclaim it? Take a rated challenge against one of the newer players, and see where it goes. I actually would figure being an "Old Master" would be more flattering in the first place. It's like being part of the legend of the place, or what not. (I'll admit - being probably the most irrelevant player in the entire place, it's amusing that I've been referenced twice in this argument. Kudos to me!)
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Post by succat on Nov 15, 2008 14:29:01 GMT -5
I was the president of the largest online Magic league in history, with thousands of members, Why am I having such a hard time believing that....? I was banned for something Yes, you certainly were. Were you also impeached? I believe I've kept it civilNo, that part is definitely wrong. I didn't have to see your post that was edited to know just how enraged and uncivil you can become for no good reason. I spend more time analyzing games and annotating them and compiling players' patterns than most people even spend playing. You're honestly crazy if you think anyone knows the game, or the players, better than I do right now How could this ever be verified except that it be put into action? Theory is good and fine. Reality is a whole different beast. You can beat your whiteboards any day, but not me. I'm definitely not trying to start another "succat vs. ExDeath" war here, and honestly, I think that if you were to start playing rated games right now, you would probably be able to hang pretty well with some of the top players. I don't think you'd just plow right through them though, and you insult all of us if you think that is the case. And, sometimes with the way you come across and/or the the ludicrous things you say, you cast doubt on other things that you are trying to back-up, like your ability to fare now in Warlocks.
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