Random undocumented stuff about Time Stop

[awall]

The first two of these situations actually arose as remote possibilities in games that I've played, although I chose not to go down the path that would have led to them because I was unsure of how they behaved. This last one is just something I'm curious about, although theoretically it could also come up at some point.

1) Remove Enchantment is horribly documented. It claims to remove all Enchantment spells upon the target. However, according to Justix's profile, it does not work against Anti-Spell or Charm Monster (actually, it probably does work against the latter, it just kills the monster in the process). I'm still a bit unclear as to whether it works against Time Stop. Does it? (Tangentially, I know that PDWP removes Protection. Since Shield and Protection appear to be the same status, I'm curious as to whether it also removes Shield, which is not an Enchantment).

2) The rules claim that "Also, a counter-spell or shield cast during a time-stopped turn will not last into the next turn." What about Magic Mirror? I don't see why it should act differently, but it apparently did on FM (see www.gamerz.net/~fm/para_fod.html, the part at the bottom where he talks about using SPPc to defend against FoD). Does it still work that way on RBW?

3) If two players both Time Stop at the same time, they can see each other. Are their enchantments still inactive in this case? i.e.
A: 123456
LH:SPPFDx
RH:xxxxSD
B: 123456
LH:SPPFDx
RH:xxxWWP
Does B's Protection work during the Time Stopped turn, or does he get hit by the missile? If the Protection is inactive during the time stopped turn, does this turn still count against the duration of Protection, or does it last for three normal time turns? What if B had cast Shield/Counterspell/Mirror instead? Those don't count as enchantments, so would they stop the missile?.

Would it be worth asking RavenBlack to update the documentation for these and some of the other points on refuge.fleeble.net/rbwundoc.html?

[Slartucker]

I doubt RB would update it. The only thing he's updated the help files for in the past 5 years is updating FFF and DSF when the new variants of them were created. RB hasn't spent much time on Warlocks for a few years now. Frankly, he did a mostly outstanding job to begin with, and keeping the site up (apparently at his own expense) is more than enough to ask for.

PDWP does not work on Charm Monster - the monster will die, but the charm will take effect, which it shouldn't. It does work on Time Stop.

Although P and WWP display as the same status when time stopped or hasted, PDWP will not remove P, only WWP.

As for Time Stop, RBW treats both hasted and time stopped turns as extensions of the previous turn, for the purposes of condition expiration. FM did it differently, and whether or not this is what the original WH rules suggest is an open question, but that's how RBW handles it. So in both cases, conditions will expire before the next turn. (Note however that this is just for expiration, and thus an amnesia cast on you the turn you clap haste will take effect on your hasted turn AND on the next regular turn.)

During a time stopped turn, regardless of who is or isn't time stopped, NO enchantments or shields of any sort have any effect. They are still present, so they can be removed by PDWP or cDPW, and disruptions can bounce. Again, note that SPFP and PSDD are not treated as enchantments by the game, so their effects do not change. New enchantments can be cast, and their effects will take place in the next regular turn.

Time stopped turns and hasted turns never affect the duration, in normal turns, of any effect. (Exception: there is a bizarre exception to this involving haste + poison and disease that I never ended up recording, where haste handles it differently depending on when the poison is cast. I need to look that up again.)

[Slartucker]

I looked up the haste/poison thing and it turns out it's not a bizarre exception, just an artifact of the way RBW displays conditions. So... never mind about that.