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Post by mikeEB on Dec 19, 2008 18:35:55 GMT -5
*While Haste extends the duration of Shield and Counterspell, it doesn't do the same for Magic Mirror *When opposing elementals are present, all elementals kill each other before any storms take effect, then any storms go off. No elementals survive long enough to attack. ( games.ravenblack.net/warlocks?num=69227&turn=19) *Contrary to the previous hypothesis, if a blind warlock casts a spell at another blind warlock with a mirror, the spell will be reflected but miss.
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Post by boomfrog on Jan 6, 2009 1:29:03 GMT -5
How can a blind warlock cast a spell at another warlock, blind or not?
Also, Is this correct?
*A summon cast at monster one will summon the monster two under the control of the warlock who controls monster one.*
That one was a surprise to me. I assumed the monsters would form some sort of command pyramid, where monster one would control monster two and two would attack one's target.
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Post by xade on Jan 6, 2009 3:58:39 GMT -5
What happens if you cast a summon at an elemental? Or in a melee, at someone who has dies monster?
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 6, 2009 7:03:11 GMT -5
summons targetted at elementals fail. owned monsters in melee follow their last direction until charmed/dead. all of those are documented in the rules somewhere
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Post by xade on Jan 6, 2009 16:17:12 GMT -5
But they wouldn't have a direction would they? so they would just stand there? or just attack someone random? or just attack whoever the other monster was attacking... Guess it doesn't really matter though.
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Post by awall on Jan 6, 2009 17:26:42 GMT -5
I think the case xade is referring to is: A summons Badly-Named Ogre A directs Badly-Named Ogre to attack B. B clubs A to death with a pool noodle. (At this point, Badly-Named Ogre is still attacking B, even though it's now technically owned by "nobody") B summons a Troll and targets it at Badly-Named Ogre.
I believe in this situation, the Troll would fail, just as if it had been summoned at an elemental or at nobody.
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 6, 2009 17:38:09 GMT -5
Ah... that's a good question, I'm not sure I've ever seen it tested.
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Post by Dubber on Jan 6, 2009 20:57:20 GMT -5
summons targetted at elementals fail. owned monsters in melee follow their last direction until charmed/dead. all of those are documented in the rules somewhere I thought someone tested this already? Wasn't that you, Slarty? iirc, a Giant summoned into/onto an elemental is instantly consumed/destroyed with no damage dealt by said monster (but the elemental damage happens to everyone else as usual)
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 6, 2009 20:58:48 GMT -5
see above -- they are all documented in RB's rules, so they are by definition not undocumented.
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Post by Dubber on Jan 6, 2009 21:00:10 GMT -5
I think the case xade is referring to is: A summons Badly-Named Ogre A directs Badly-Named Ogre to attack B. B clubs A to death with a pool noodle. (At this point, Badly-Named Ogre is still attacking B, even though it's now technically owned by "nobody") B summons a Troll and targets it at Badly-Named Ogre. I believe in this situation, the Troll would fail, just as if it had been summoned at an elemental or at nobody. I think this was playtested a ways back, too... The Troll would be summoned successfully but would "wander around aimlessly" (since there was nobody available to direct it's attacks) -- a player could charm said Troll and then control it, iirc.
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Post by Dubber on Jan 6, 2009 21:03:34 GMT -5
*While Haste extends the duration of Shield and Counterspell, it doesn't do the same for Magic Mirror *When opposing elementals are present, all elementals kill each other before any storms take effect, then any storms go off. No elementals survive long enough to attack. ( games.ravenblack.net/warlocks?num=69227&turn=19) *Contrary to the previous hypothesis, if a blind warlock casts a spell at another blind warlock with a mirror, the spell will be reflected but miss. Haste/TimeStop & mirror has been covered somewhere before Elemental effects are spelled out in the Warlock documentation And the Blindness scenario was addressed by RavenBlack in the RavenBlackGames Yahoo! Group. Now if only I were awake enough to go find and link to those tidbits
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 6, 2009 21:37:28 GMT -5
RB's yahoo posts do not count as documentation, and _multiple_ elemental effects are NOT spelled out with ANY precision in the rules. TimeStoped-into-UnTimeStopped Mirror is covered in the rules, but only explained as an effect of Time Stop, Unhasted-into-Hasted Mirror is definitely NOT covered and the situations have nothing in common.
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Post by Dubber on Jan 6, 2009 21:57:33 GMT -5
Surely mirror+[haste/timestop] has been done to death at this point? (by you & Tali, I think) Mirror has an instant, 1-time effect (at close to the beginning of the turn), as does SPFP (at close to the end of the turn) So, mirror will not slide forward into the next turn. I think I remember my first time trying this & being surprised at my misunderstanding of the interaction. But I only made that particular mistake once
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Post by Dubber on Jan 6, 2009 21:59:30 GMT -5
On rereading the whole thread, I see I am misreading the last few posts. Yes. Got it now. G'night
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Post by BioLogIn on Oct 24, 2012 16:18:42 GMT -5
If para from warlock A hits a monster owned by warlock B covered with a Magic Mirror cast by warlock B, paralysis is reflected and monster attacks, however warlock B doesn't get to choose a hand and warlock A is not paralysed next turn (although his hands "start to stiffen" on Magic Mirror turn). games.ravenblack.net/warlocks?num=80169&turn=19
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