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Post by mikeEB on Sept 16, 2009 14:22:35 GMT -5
Actually my first mistake happened on 6th turn, when I tried to go to invis, hope same early strange idea in my game vs Freesoul won`t cost me a game, but it looks so Going for invisibility wasn't anywhere close to game-losing. Against me, you were only at a slight disadvantage and could have regained initiative either by taking a slight risk later or by waiting for me to make a similar 'mistake'. On the other hand, your opening had a slight advantage vs. freesoul; You could easily have ended up ahead by going for goblin-antispell rather than goblin-charm. You only ended up behind because you lost two decision points immediately afterwards.
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Post by xade on Sept 17, 2009 1:10:58 GMT -5
As official judge I sanction this conclusion. You WHAT??? TRAITOR! Bring the cup home to papa clanny!
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Post by vermont on Sept 17, 2009 7:03:44 GMT -5
Dude, ShshHSHSHSHshshHSHshHShshshshshhhhhhh! I have to at least APPEAR impartial. Sheesh.
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Post by salvor on Sept 17, 2009 14:19:57 GMT -5
Actually my first mistake happened on 6th turn, when I tried to go to invis, hope same early strange idea in my game vs Freesoul won`t cost me a game, but it looks so Going for invisibility wasn't anywhere close to game-losing. Against me, you were only at a slight disadvantage and could have regained initiative either by taking a slight risk later or by waiting for me to make a similar 'mistake'. On the other hand, your opening had a slight advantage vs. freesoul; You could easily have ended up ahead by going for goblin-antispell rather than goblin-charm. You only ended up behind because you lost two decision points immediately afterwards. Actually going for invisibility was a mistake, let`s suppose you para my LH instead of RH in 8th turn, now I must repeat W with my right hand in case of troll you: FFFFFFFF FPSFPSFP
me: PPPPPPP WSWWSWWS
Now, you can fake in FoD with only one 50/50 for me, it isn`t a slight disadvantage, as for me(yes,of course I could target myself with a counter, but it will lead to a similar PSPSPSP-loop with same result) And in my game vs Freesoul I simply made a mistake when was counting shields, I decided that his SD couldn`t be PSD, so that`s the reason I went for SPSDP instead of SPFP or SPSDF. Actually even going for delay wasn`t a bad idea there(and it`s basically a board position, it`s well-known than going to invis second is better, at least when first invis isn`t faked).And of course I thought that he will probably cast counterspell instead of protection, so I decided not to cast SPFP(and due to goblin I know that he has counterspell ready). Sorry for late answering.
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Post by BioLogIn on Sept 18, 2009 8:31:12 GMT -5
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Post by mikeEB on Sept 18, 2009 11:19:03 GMT -5
Wins so far by cause: (prioritized as follows, counting early surrenders)
Finger of Death:4 (1 kill) (4 with para)
Permanency:1 (0 kills) (1 paralysis) (blindess, protection and permacharm self excluded)
Disease/Poison:0 (0 Kills)
Direct Damage:8 (4 kills) (4 with monster)
Accidental Surrender: 0 (including thrown matches)
Byes: 1
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Post by nawglan on Sept 18, 2009 12:40:40 GMT -5
interesting. FoD not that overpowered it seems. 8) Direct Dmg ftw!
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Post by salvor on Sept 18, 2009 15:07:47 GMT -5
Actually if we look closer into this 4 FoDs we will see 1)First one is simple para-ogre FoD, and it is normal than it is powerful wave, I think that everybody understand that it isn't a problem, simply you shouldn't allow your opponent to get an ogre. 2)Second is equivalent to DSF/FOD-beginning in D/P vs W/W oppening, and defender actually had full-proof defence if he reacted on PW-turn, he didn't.(and even if this situation will be too powerful, it isn't only problem in FF/FoD,but it's also a problem with D/P-beginning) 3)Third is classical FoD after clap, also classical situation,and of course it doesn't show that FoD is overpowered, it only shows that clapping is bad. 4)Fourth is 2 50/50 FoD used as a punish for WW/PP defensive position. As for me it is the moment when FoD make this game better, as you because of FoD you can't have a full-profe defensive flow, you need to have a counterattack possibility, so it makes game more deep(maybe I am wrong here). And again zugzwang had a full-proof defence,(to go to invis, he could get a bolt that root,of course, but only if his opponent abort para-FoD and called that he is going to invis)
So really, FoD is normal practise.
P.S.Sorry for my english, hope I am right for most things I've just written.
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Post by vermont on Sept 18, 2009 16:14:48 GMT -5
Toyo, that was quite the forced surrender. I would never throw a P like that; I'm impressed. The sake was speaking to you, eh?
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Post by ellipsis on Sept 18, 2009 17:15:16 GMT -5
interesting. FoD not that overpowered it seems. 8) Direct Dmg ftw! Au contraire. Salvor looks at it in more detail, but based purely on numbers, we're talking about a single, 8-gesture spell winning 50% as many games as the entire class of damage-dealing spells combined. When I see 8 wins by direct damage and 4 by fod, "fod not that overpowered" is not my reaction. Actually, it looks like Syd wasn't charmed on the last turn (presumably because of counterspell). Rather, Toyo won by laying a total smackdown until Syd lost the will to fight. Also, I suck at tournaments, and that doesn't just apply to warlocks, either. I probably should have given that as a heads up to anyone who wanted to add me to their dream team.
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Post by toyotami on Sept 18, 2009 18:31:47 GMT -5
Thanks for digging up my game Bio. I just got here to report it.
Vermont, while the sake is always talking to me, i did not force Syd. He wasn't charmed and fell on his sword.
I was happy to end on sixteen health though. Does that get me a Nawglan fantasy prize?
Oh, Ellipses clarified for me. I did like his use of the term lay the smack down. Yeah. I was came off the top rope for that one. Unfortunately Bio got me in the Nickolai Volkoff Boston Crablock and squeezed me into submission.
Okay, these will be the first and last ever wrestling/warlock analogies.
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Post by mikeEB on Sept 18, 2009 19:57:51 GMT -5
Should I count that as "Accidental Surrender" or "Direct Damage"?
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Post by vermont on Sept 18, 2009 23:14:51 GMT -5
Vermont, while the sake is always talking to me, i did not force Syd. He wasn't charmed and fell on his sword. Right you are! I missed that when I checked it out. Nice win anyway.
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Post by xade on Sept 21, 2009 9:24:48 GMT -5
Say it's not so Toyo!
C'mon son, metal chair off the top of the cage!
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Post by vermont on Sept 21, 2009 9:37:03 GMT -5
Okay, these will be the first and last ever wrestling/warlock analogies. I highly doubt that.
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