A Ladder Match Oddity...

[vaner]

I recently completed a ladder match against Morzas, and at the time I accepted his challenge my ladder score was 6 and his was 3. However, by the time I had completed the match I had won a couple of ladder battles, so my ladder score was 8 whilst Morzas' was still 3. I won the battle, but my score did not increase.

Is this because my ladder score was already 5 above his? and has anybody else had this oddity happen to them before?

all replies appreciated...
Vaner

[Rycchus]

Hmm, the rules on this don't seem to be how I remembered them. I thought it was as you described, but according to the rules, if your score is more than 5 points above the player average (I believe this makes a difference of 10 in a two player game?) you get zero points. Are you sure about the figures you gave?

Of course you can't start a game if you have a points difference of more than five either.


Edit: Okay, it's if your score is more than five points above what the average was when play began. So in your case the average would have been 4.5 (rounded down to 4) and if your score was 9 or more you wouldn't have got any points. You sure the points when the match began weren't 1, 6 or something?

[vaner]

yes, certain- i know for definite that i was already on 8 because i remember seeing that 9 would take me above awall and into 9th on the rankings, and morzas had 3 when the match finished.

i'm not saying it's a mistake, i just brought it up because i thought it would make an interesting conversation point.

[Rycchus]

I edited my post above - reread it.
Are you certain of what the scores were when the match began?

[vaner]

i don't know for certain what our points were, no, although i'm pretty certain about me having 5 or 6, so if it must have been 1/6 1/5 2/5 then. Thanks for clearing that one up
just out of interest, has anyone else ever found themselves in this position?

[Rycchus]

I have to say I was very excited the first time I won a match and got no ELO for it. It felt like a milestone - that I was high enough up that there were people below me that it was taken for granted I would always win.

[vaner]

lol i haven't got that far yet! thats 250 ELO diff isn't it?

[Slartucker]

It's 366 ELO difference for a surrender and more than 500 for a kill.

Rycchus has the formula right. His score when you end doesn't matter. You take the average of the scores when you start, and compare it to your score when you end; if you're MORE than 5 points off (in either direction) you neither gain nor lose a point. This calculation is done independently for each player, so for him, your score doesn't matter.

It's been a long time since I've actually used ladder arithmetic (ho hum but I do think it's more than 5 points. So if you had 8 when you ended, you must have had 5 when you began; even the lowest possible average from 6 (6+1/2=3.5-->3) is only 5 below 8.

[vaner]

oh ok, thought you'd be able to clear this one up

[Rycchus]

Does that mean if you win a match where your score is below the average take five, you still don't gain a point? And likewise if you lose when you're the higher player? Or is it just the higher player winning and the lower player losing that doesn't count?

[Slartucker]

Take back what I said above. On second thought, I think the loser loses a point (or all of them, on a death) regardless of what his current score is; this check is only made for the winner.

[Rycchus]

Yeah, that sounds right.