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Post by Slartucker on Nov 5, 2008 16:32:54 GMT -5
Specifically, they have all been replaced with "Old Master." I think this is a more accurate term today, seeing as the state of play has returned to a fairly high level and none of the old masters maintain such a status today. ExDeath is likely skilled enough to do so, but he isn't particularly active; Tchichi is active but not shutting out anybody else; Taliesin and I are totally inactive and the other three are not here at all.
I do note that the top ranks have been sorting out a little bit and Bio has been consistently ahead of his peers for some time now. It isn't the kind of shut-out that originally inspired the term, but perhaps someday there will be reason the break them out again.
Additionally, looking ahead to the shapes I can vaguely see on the horizon, I think this is a good time to let the magic of the past begin to fade.
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Post by ExDeath on Nov 5, 2008 19:12:11 GMT -5
Eh. It's your forum, and you can change forum titles to whatever you want, but it is incredibly presumptuous to give yourself control of who's a master and who isn't. Your opinion is no more important than anyone else's, so exercising your power as forum admin to force your beliefs on everyone else is something that I would've frankly thought to be beneath you.
A forum title doesn't change anything. You, and every other master, will always be a master because your accomplishments during the time when you were active were enough to give you that title. Nobody can take it away from you. It will always be the case that new masters will be better than old masters who are out of form, but this kind of divisiveness is asinine and unnecessary. What gives you the right to say that I need to come back and play 100 more rated games before I can be called a master again? Nothing. You didn't invent the title, and you can't take it away.
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 5, 2008 21:43:15 GMT -5
I'm not forcing my beliefs on anybody, not any more than I was when I put the titles there originally -- even though plenty of members have stated their disagreement with them over the (two) years. The forum titles are labels meant to reflect the way things are. I noticed a change, and adjusted accordingly.
It certainly isn't taking anything away from anybody. Nobody was singled out. I just changed what the title was called, on the forum, to be a little more contemporary. It isn't diviseness and it isn't asinine. (It *is* unnecessary, but so is having the title there in the first place.)
Honestly, Ex, reading what you just wrote, I began to understand why Succat gave you such a hard time. Because you are so defensive and oppositional.
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Post by xade on Nov 5, 2008 21:53:57 GMT -5
That's right! They reflect the way things are...
I mean, I'm *totally* a psychopoopoohead or something...
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Post by ExDeath on Nov 5, 2008 22:05:39 GMT -5
It is divisive, because the next Master won't be an "old Master", he'll just be a Master. The only one. That's not the way it's supposed to be, the title isn't based on how active you are.
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 5, 2008 22:12:46 GMT -5
There isn't a single "way it's supposed to be." "Master Warlock" is just a phrase that some people started using, that caught on. I, likewise, was just using it, not dictating how others could or could not do so. There was no set of laws laid out for it, and frankly I think the presumptuous thing is you attempting to dictate the way it's supposed to be. Presumptuous AND ironic, given that you said you had never even heard the term used until you returned to Warlocks and saw it on the Refuge.
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 5, 2008 22:13:41 GMT -5
Xade -- I just meant the 'master warlock' titles. Obviously yours is just a kick in the pants.
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Post by xade on Nov 5, 2008 22:21:41 GMT -5
I know! But it was either post that piece of comic relief or the following. The Term "Master Warlock" was actually coined by Derfel. And he *does* have the power to take it away.
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Post by ExDeath on Nov 5, 2008 22:50:30 GMT -5
I'm not dictating anything. If it's a phrase that just "caught on", you shouldn't make some lame attempt to "uncatch it". If the playerbase as a whole decides they don't want to use the term anymore, they don't have to. Why force a change like this down everybody's throat without even asking for opinions? No discussion, nothing. Just "here's your title change, if you don't like it, too bad for you".
And for what it's worth, I am still active. I am playing in a game right now. I challenged Bio to a game and he said to wait until the end of the tournament. My last rated match was not that long ago. Tchichi, also, is extremely active, why would you take the title away from him? Because in your own subjective view, he and I are not as good as we used to be? F- that, it's insulting.
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Post by vermont on Nov 5, 2008 23:13:53 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but being an 'old master' wouldn't necessarily preclude someone from being a current master as well. right? I would think its more recognition of the fact that those folks that have that title and are still playing have been very good for a very long time.
Bottom line is that it's semantics being discussed, on a free forum worked on by volunteers for a game we all play for fun. Unless there are sponsorship deals floating around I'm missing out on, dammit.
Perhaps sticking my nose in here is a mistake, but I'm one of those 'let's all sing Kumbaya folks,' and my intent is to reasonably quell flames. (And hopefully not to inadvertently add fuel to any fires! (which being a firefighter, would be a bad bad thing (not that we the thought doesn't occassionally cross my mind (please don't tell the Chief (or my wife, for that matter.)))))
[I'm wondering how many people will check to see if my parens match up. lol.]
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Post by ExDeath on Nov 5, 2008 23:27:58 GMT -5
When a Grandmaster stops playing at the level he used to, you don't stop calling him a Grandmaster. If someone gets shot in the line of duty and receives a purple heart, you don't come back 30 years later and say "Sorry, you haven't been a hero lately, we're taking this back". The fact is, whether you believe Tchichi and I are at the top of our game or not, we are still active, unlike the forum admin who played his last game of Warlocks over a year ago, checks the forum twice a week and then pops in to make some grand decree when he's not even part of the community anymore. Sorry, I don't care if you slice it as semantics, it's still something he has no right to take away.
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Post by vermont on Nov 5, 2008 23:44:32 GMT -5
Xade -- I just meant the 'master warlock' titles. Obviously yours is just a kick in the pants. I've been trying to figure out how Psychopoopoo translates into 'kick in the pants.' My Latin is really dusty these days, I guess. Edit - although, I guess if you get kicked hard enough, that name makes a lot more sense.
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Post by xade on Nov 5, 2008 23:48:34 GMT -5
I did check your parens!
Good to see that you're checking into mah latin.
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Post by ExDeath on Nov 5, 2008 23:56:04 GMT -5
Oh and by the way Slartucker, considering Bio, nawglan and I have all been volunteering our time to run the 2008 tournament while you've done absolutely nothing constructive, maybe you'd consider moving yourself to the "old admin" title. Y'know, just a thought. By your logic, contributions in the past are no longer valid enough to maintain a position you've worked hard for, so why keep up the double standard? Give the reins over to somebody who's not so "old".
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Post by Slartucker on Nov 6, 2008 0:28:43 GMT -5
ExDeath: I honestly don't understand why you are being so cross about this. I changed a phrase and posted an explanation about it. You are asserting quite vigorously that by doing so, I was trying to force my opinion on everybody else, that I was trying to demean you and Tchichi, and doing it in a presumptuous way. I suppose my presumptuousness is anybody's to judge, but I wasn't trying to be a dictator or a meanie, and that's that. Please get over it. If you feel my judgment erred, even in some particular like activity levels that I wasn't paying close enough attention to, you can say that without turning it into a battle.
BUT LET ME MAKE ONE THING VERY CLEAR. I am not interested in listening to you attack me. In fact I don't think anybody here is particularly interested in listening to anyone attack anyone. I have insisted from the beginning that these forums remain a place of civil discourse, and do not degenerate into the mess that most internet forums quickly become. This has succeeded, because of the wonderful community that has grown around Warlocks. Because the people who post here care about the game and about the people they play with.
If you insist any more on dragging the forums down into the mud, making ad hominem attacks, and disrespecting the civility of the community, you will not be welcome here.
Slartucker
(Edit: typo)
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