spacca
Ronin Warlock
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Post by spacca on Sept 13, 2007 4:34:49 GMT -5
How are you going to split 3 players with 2-2 records on meritorious play? - pod 1 looks like it could end up like this - Surely it would be better to have a play off or give an extra point for a kill, something a little less subjective at least.
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Post by vermont on Sept 13, 2007 8:05:04 GMT -5
I think I read something about whoever donated the most money. I might suggest the amount of leftover health, but that might just be because I believe I'd win that category. That probably doesn't make me partial.
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Post by vermont on Sept 13, 2007 8:36:00 GMT -5
Message from xade: who knows... someone has to get it, and so far, you're the only guy to defeat a "30+" fantasy warlock... - you'll get my vote (if we had the chance to vote... ) Of course, if xade beats toyo and laxen, this will all be a moot point anyway. But hope springs eternal! (My apologies to xade, who was unaware our conversation was being recorded.)
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Post by Slartucker on Sept 13, 2007 10:56:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this is the problem with using world cup style pods. As stated elsewhere, the wild card spots are the first resort to clear up such ties. But if there are too many ties, which looks quite possible, it will need to go to something else.
The first possibility is a simple and common swiss tiebreaker: of the players in question, did one beat the others? If A B and C are tied in points but A beat B and C, A would advance.
If A beat B beat C beat A, then... It will absolutely not be based on leftover health; however, it seems to me the best option is to subjectively evaluate how close the games were. If one of the three players had wins with gross margins and the others didn't, he could move up.
I really don't want to have to resort to a play-off, as that would slow down the entire tournament quite a bit.
This is already much messier than I had planned, and it really makes me regret the decision to use these pods.
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laxen
Ronin Warlock
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Post by laxen on Sept 13, 2007 11:14:53 GMT -5
hey hey hey, can we just hold things up a little bit? at the moment, xade is losing both to me and to toyo (go me ), therefore it will only be a 2-way tie between derfel and vermont, and if we stick to the A beat B psychology, then surely derfel would progress? or maybe i've got this whole thing wrong lol
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Post by toyotami on Sept 13, 2007 11:21:35 GMT -5
I think our block is progressing and finishing much faster than the others. Take Me and Laxen out (once all is cast and done) and let the evens fight it out (that would be ideal, though i guess you cant set a precedent or every draw will be settled that way?) But with Derfel, Xade and Laxen (possibly) beating and losing to each other, what other course of action is there? 3 rematches, the first warlock to win 2 goes through. On the case of another tail bite, do it again - substitute their spots for X's in the tourney, keep it going...i don't think there is a fair way to seperate these three...
Other thoughts?
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Post by toyotami on Sept 13, 2007 11:22:19 GMT -5
Sorry...minus laxen insert Vermont...
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laxen
Ronin Warlock
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Post by laxen on Sept 13, 2007 11:29:00 GMT -5
yeah, that's a possibility. however, the problem, as is the problem with every exception, is that once you've done it once, its very hard to stop using it and in the long term it is not an ideal solution. personally, i think as our group is a bit ahead of the other groups anyway we should wait and see what happens in xade vs me and xade vs toyo before we discuss alternatives. who knows, xade might win both and therefore automatically progress. lets just wait and see .
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Post by Rasper on Sept 13, 2007 11:34:07 GMT -5
I like the idea of the playdown to give the fair shake at getting in on merit in the tournament, but if time is a factor (or it just gets to be too much of a headache) what about promoting the higher of the ELOs in question? Or if you want to keep within the games played in the pods perhaps some factor of rounds in a match combined with death or surrender to come up with some +/- factor like they would use for points (though that would probably stink for those finding out about it after the fact). Or even using the points for fantasy as a decision point - I assuming those weren't based just on ELO...
Just some thoughts - though I think something ELO based would be quick and dirty if necessary.
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Post by Slartucker on Sept 13, 2007 11:55:26 GMT -5
It definitely won't be based on ELO, as that is external to the tournament and introduces a host of other unfairnesses. And no no no no no to rounds consumed, death or surrender, remaining health, etc! No objective factors! Those, too, curdle the fairness of the match and introduce metagame concerns that do not belong in a tournament. It would be particularly unfair to start using an objective factor without announcing it before ANY games started.
Win/loss and subjective judgment are the only factors that will be used in this tournament, and that's final.
There will be no playoffs in round 1 -- that's not final, but it's 90% likely.
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Post by vermont on Sept 13, 2007 12:32:33 GMT -5
I trust your subjective judgment slarty. You're many times over better than most of us, and I don't think anyone will disagree with your decisions.
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Post by vermont on Sept 13, 2007 12:33:32 GMT -5
And I just realized that that really sounded like I was sucking up. lol. In addition to all that, I'd just like to say that you smell bad.
But not too bad. Just a little.
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Post by Rycchus on Sept 13, 2007 13:49:11 GMT -5
Perhaps not a good idea for picking first and second, but shouldn't the wildcards at least be random? (3-1s that haven't got through being given preference)
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Derfel
Ronin Warlock
Did I Do That?
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Post by Derfel on Sept 13, 2007 15:23:11 GMT -5
How does "subjective judgement" in the form of 20 bucks sound?
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Post by xade on Sept 13, 2007 19:34:34 GMT -5
How does "subjective judgement" in the form of 20 bucks sound? ohh... that sounds like a plan... Toyo, 10 bucks per P*... (*terms and conditions apply, 2 P's must be entered on the same turn for any monies to be claimed. P's must also be entered within the next 2 shots)
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