Derfel
Ronin Warlock
Did I Do That?
Troublemaker
Posts: 283
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Post by Derfel on Jan 2, 2009 11:21:23 GMT -5
Wow... not being a member of the whole league/clan thing... if I were a member of the Paramancers, I'd just sit this round out in protest. This rule completely negates their raison d'etre.
Mind you, if a Paramancer won... the revenge would be a thing to see.
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Post by maknud on Jan 2, 2009 14:02:09 GMT -5
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Post by wastelin on Jan 2, 2009 14:16:43 GMT -5
Indeed. A good start for a repeat performance!
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 2, 2009 14:24:51 GMT -5
Wow... not being a member of the whole league/clan thing... if I were a member of the Paramancers, I'd just sit this round out in protest. This rule completely negates their raison d'etre. Mind you, if a Paramancer won... the revenge would be a thing to see. You know, I actually thought about this, and awall and I agreed that replacing para or really attacking it in any way would not be fair in the first month. So awall actually put in an excepton to make paralysis easier to repeat than the other mindspells; plus, points are awarded for casting paralysis, and it's a component of the +3 jackpot, which encourages its use. It does mess with long F-chains, but it also messes with double charms and with haste, and with every popular opening out there. It messes with everything so there's really no reason to protest its effects on para. |
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Post by awall on Jan 2, 2009 16:13:32 GMT -5
Thanks. That really shouldn't have worked as well as it did. I guess hitting with a few disruptions makes it easier to land others, because your opponent is already off balance. Pity that was an intra-clan game, though, so it doesn't count for determining clan dominance. |
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 2, 2009 23:18:05 GMT -5
Clarification, awall: if you are forced to surrender because you screwed up and cast an illegal mindspell, do you get points for that? My instinct is to say no points at all, since you could not legally get any points for it.
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Post by mikeEB on Jan 2, 2009 23:22:29 GMT -5
Clarification, awall: if you are forced to surrender because you screwed up and cast an illegal mindspell, do you get points for that? My instinct is to say no points at all, since you could not legally get any points for it. Precedent from last month says they do get points for it; we gave xade and dubber credit for charming to -. I'd like to know what I could get away with in the following scenerio:
FFF (at opponent)
FFF (at monster)
So far, it's legal. However, it's not clear whether I could continue paralysis with either hand or both next turn. |
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Post by awall on Jan 3, 2009 3:27:42 GMT -5
FFF (at opponent)
FFF (at monster)
So far, it's legal. However, it's not clear whether I could continue paralysis with either hand or both next turn. Interesting case. I'd say you can continue on either or both hands, as we've established that para can be cast twice in a row. Incidentally, it wasn't my intention to allow one disruption to be cast twice at the same time, but I didn't say anything about it in the rules, so it's legal after all. |
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 3, 2009 8:06:18 GMT -5
Note however that it would not count towards the 3-pointer.
Edit: I just realized this made no sense. It could count at the beginning or end of the three pointer, but not in the middle.
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Post by toyotami on Jan 3, 2009 21:30:44 GMT -5
I was paralyzed on turn 3, then paralyzed again in turn 7, two paralyzis' although the clearing rule was not yet fulfilled. I know the rules specify two paralysis' are okay...in this case do i lose -2 points or only the one? games.ravenblack.net/warlocks?num=69643 |
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 3, 2009 21:35:31 GMT -5
Just the one, it's +/-1 per type of mindspell landed -- but succat needs to surrender, since he violated the league rule. (The rules are very specific about paralysis: two paralyses are okay ONLY when they are on the same hand on consecutive turns.)
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Post by toyotami on Jan 3, 2009 21:39:46 GMT -5
Ah...actually, looks like Succat broke the rules. This rule is kind of complicated. Worse still, the player whose opponent disobeys the rules is also at a disadvantage. When Awall can win seventeen points for a good game, the most i can get from early rule broken games is ten...
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 3, 2009 21:47:20 GMT -5
Yes, that's an unfortunate side effect. I'm not sure what the best solution is (for future months; for this month I think we're stuck with the rules as written). Ending the game then is potentially unfair to the other player, but handing the other player a flat +20 (or whatever the max is, it's actually +19 this month) isn't quite fair either.
One possibility might be to score the game, for league purposes, at the end of the previous turn (the last turn where all moves had been legal) and to assign a +X bonus to the winner (-X to the rulebreaker) up to the maximum achievable score. X could be set with the league rule; perhaps it would be 5 this month. That avoids denying any potential to the player who followed the rules, without too harshly punishing the rule-breaker.
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Post by toyotami on Jan 3, 2009 21:54:50 GMT -5
It is a hard thing to speculate on, isn't it? I think i had a +3 set up for consequetive mind spells, then again, i might have been slaughtered. I am happy to recieve the base +10 points for the win and anything that happened in the game, happened. I very much doubt any player will purposefully take advantage (ie throw a game by disobeying a rule just before opponent gets +3). I was a bit annoyed at first but on retospect, +10 against a player of Succat's calibre is more than enough...i'm sure the winning score of the month wont be much more than 50. Awarding extra points to somebody who already won might be too much a reward for an accidental occurance.
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Post by mikeEB on Jan 3, 2009 21:57:14 GMT -5
I think it's unfair to the other player only in the sense that opening P/P is unfair. The scoring is fine as is, unless you wish to also ban surrendering before the opponent could possibly earn any league points.
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