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Post by Slartucker on Jan 6, 2008 11:36:44 GMT -5
If someone wants to keep a running total of scores as games are completed like Dubber did last round, if you make a new topic with the table, I can sticky it at the top of the forum and then you can just edit the one post instead of having to repost on new pages, etc.
One suggestion: do not count kills as wins (and do not count deaths as surrenders). They are different results, and having to input a kill or death in two categories makes mistakes twice as likely, and harder to catch.
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Post by ExDeath on Jan 6, 2008 12:10:58 GMT -5
Ok, time to vote on who has the toughest pairings. I say it's Spleenboy.
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Post by BioLogIn on Jan 6, 2008 12:18:36 GMT -5
Regarding rule of month: "The prohibited action is the actual summoning, not casting an -SFW spell, so if you target the spell at Nobody (or an elemental), or if it's countered or dispelled, you're safe." Everything is clear save the 'dispel' part. Does that only means that CDPW CSFW is a legal way to deal 1 damage with goblin?
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Starting pairings ranting, I've got ExDeath, Toyotami, Dubber, Emrys and Sojobo. I'm ok with first four, but I think the last one is nearly impossible to win - he has been inactive for ten days already ))
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I'll try to do the scorekeeping.
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Post by BioLogIn on Jan 6, 2008 12:30:22 GMT -5
Oh yes, there is a small mistake in the pairings of Laxen: #16 Laxen -- 6 -- 11 -- 19 -- 25 -- 10 Is most probably should be read as follows: #16 Laxen -- 6 -- 11 -- 19 -- 17 -- 10
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Pairings by name:
#01 Lokiv -- Spleenboy -- Spez -- Reds -- Sojobo -- Nawglan #02 Nawglan -- Lokiv -- Slartucker -- Loyus -- ExDeath -- Spez #03 Citanest -- Loyus -- Vermont -- Xade -- Sojobo -- Slartucker #04 Slartucker -- Nawglan -- Citanest -- Loyus -- Spez -- Reds #05 Spez -- Lokiv -- Nawglan -- Slartucker -- Freesoul -- Dni #06 Reds -- Lokiv -- Laxen -- Maven -- Jes -- Slartucker #07 Vermont -- Citanest -- Spacca -- Sojobo -- Loyus -- Emrys #08 Sojobo -- Lokiv -- Citanest -- Vermont -- BioLogIn -- Xade #09 Jes -- Reds -- ExDeath -- Awall -- McLizard -- Toyotami #10 Awall -- Jes -- Dubber -- Freesoul -- Dni -- Laxen #11 Maven -- Reds -- Xade -- Laxen -- Spacca -- Spleenboy #12 Loyus -- Nawglan -- Citanest -- Slartucker -- Vermont -- McLizard #13 ExDeath -- Nawglan -- Jes -- BioLogIn -- Emrys -- Toyotami #14 Toyotami -- Jes -- ExDeath -- BioLogIn -- Xade -- Spleenboy #15 McLizard -- Jes -- Loyus -- Dubber -- Spacca -- Emrys #16 Laxen -- Reds -- Maven -- Dni -- 25 (?Freesoul?) -- Awall #17 Freesoul -- Spez -- Awall -- Laxen -- Xade -- Spleenboy #18 Dubber -- Awall -- McLizard -- Dni -- Emrys -- BioLogIn #19 Dni -- Spez -- Awall -- Laxen -- Dubber -- Spacca #20 Spacca -- Vermont -- Maven -- McLizard -- Dni -- Spleenboy #21 BioLogIn -- Sojobo -- ExDeath -- Toyotami -- Dubber -- Emrys #22 Emrys -- Vermont -- ExDeath -- McLizard -- Dubber -- BioLogIn #23 Spleenboy -- Lokiv -- Maven -- Toyotami -- Freesoul -- Spacca #24 Xade -- Citanest -- Sojobo -- Maven -- Toyotami -- Freesoul
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I think Jes got the toughest one.
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Post by Slartucker on Jan 6, 2008 12:52:47 GMT -5
Yes, that 25 should be 17. Thanks Bio.
As for cDPW, it dispels the spell entirely, there's never a goblin summoned. I mentioned those cases for clarification in case they came up. They aren't actually ways around the rule.
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Post by Rycchus on Jan 6, 2008 14:03:31 GMT -5
What happens when you target an elemental with a summons? Does the new monster "find no master" or does it remain with a Master: Nobody like it would in a melee game when its master dies?
Spacca seems to have got lucky with an easy draw again. I think I agree jes got the hardest.
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Post by Dubber on Jan 6, 2008 14:09:24 GMT -5
More pairings problems:
ExDeath & Emrys only have 4 battles each Loyus & BioLogin have 6 battles each
Count # Warlock Battle 1 Battle 2 Battle 3 Battle 4 Battle 5 4 13 ExDeath nawglan jes BioLogin Emrys Toyotami 4 22 Emrys Vermont ExDeath McLizard Dubber BioLogin 6 12 Loyus nawglan Citanest Slartucker Vermont McLizard 6 21 BioLogin Sojobo ExDeath Toyotami Dubber BioLogin Full (first posted) table is now available in the "JANUARY -- standings" thread -- names and numbers are listed for everyone's convenience.
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Post by BioLogIn on Jan 6, 2008 15:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by freesoul on Jan 6, 2008 15:46:39 GMT -5
Ok, now it's time to guess how many people will forget the rule and accidentally summon something... My guess is 5
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Post by jes on Jan 6, 2008 16:12:01 GMT -5
If you charm your opponent into summoning, does it still count as them breaking the rule?
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reds
Ronin Warlock
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Post by reds on Jan 6, 2008 16:17:48 GMT -5
I was about to ask about the exact same thing (since it's in my game vs. Jes). I was charmed into a W and as a result summoned a creature. I admit I could have thought about it (though I really didn't think someone would do that) and set the target as no one.
The rules state nothing about it which I think is because no one thought about it.
I have no problem setting some kind of rule for future cases, but since the rules did not include this scenario when it happened I feel it would be unfair to punish me. (my 2 cents).
Slarty, please advise what we should do (Jes, I am gonna hold off playing until a Slarty ruling).
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Post by BioLogIn on Jan 6, 2008 17:54:26 GMT -5
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reds
Ronin Warlock
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Post by reds on Jan 6, 2008 18:24:36 GMT -5
Looks like I will need to surrender, I'll wait for Slarty's ruling though.
What I don't like about this is I will be punished for playing early/fast which the rules encourage. Jes will get rewarded for a tricky or dirty move taking advantage of a scenario not addressed in the rules, and almost everyone that reads the board will now set the target just in case so it probably won't happen again.
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Post by Rycchus on Jan 6, 2008 18:52:38 GMT -5
This has been discussed previously, but only in a theorising kind of way. Slarty did say (in the draft of rules thread) that I think the simplest solution would be to just say that you are responsible for what you cast, disrupted or not. but followed this with However, we can discuss it more, because this will be totally irrelevant to the first league rule. We never got round to this further discussion.
However, in theory it would come under the more general league rule: If you accidentally break the league rule, you should surrender immediately.
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reds
Ronin Warlock
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Post by reds on Jan 6, 2008 19:16:54 GMT -5
hmm, so the fact that I haven't surrendered immediately is a violation of the rules as well . Though perhaps I didn't break a league rule. I mean I didn't do anything by accident. What annoys me is that I feel that Jes is taking advantage of a situation that is not clear. Even Jes posted right here after the move was made asking what the result should be. Anyway, I will go to sleep and await Slarty's ruling.
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